Friday, December 01, 2006

Why I Don't Have A Girlfriend

The Hall of Fame ballots were released this week. I’m a huge baseball dork, so this is like Christmas for me. Excuse the extreme dorkiness as I breakdown the ballot. As always when I do something like this, I provide something fun for the rest of you:

Spear tossing! I can’t crack 500. Give it a try.

First time guys are marked with an asterisk.

THE TEST CASE
*Harold Baines

First time on the ballot, its also the first time a career DH is on the ballot. Consider this the test case for the Edgar Martinez candidacy. In 1987 at the age of 28, Baines became primarily a DH due to some bad knees and some fairly bad fielding numbers, though not horrific. He played until age 42, logging 1644 games at DH, 1061 as an OF. He was a six time All-Star, and over his career posted a 120 OPS+ (20% better than league average, adjusted for park effects). He hit 289 on his career with 384 HRs. Nice numbers, but he fell short of the magic 3000 hits, “only” getting 2866. That gives people a good excuse to keep him out.

There’s a bias against DH’s, whether its deserved or not. The thing is, with his numbers, Baines wouldn’t get in as a right fielder. He has nice numbers, but not terrific. He was top ten in the MVP only once. He never won the World Series. He never led the league in a major offensive category. If someone is going to break the DH barrier, it won’t be Baines, which is a shame, as he was always one of my favorite players and known as a really nice guy.


HOW THE HELL IS HE NOT IN ALREADY?
Bert Blyleven

Seriously. It’s bordering on criminal. 287 wins (26th all-time). 3701 strikeouts (5th all-time). 60 shutouts (9th all-time). He won two World Series, with a career WS line of 2.35 and a 2-1 record in three starts. Oh, and he is generally considered to have the greatest curveball in the history of baseball. I don’t understand any rational argument for keeping him out other than he played for a lot of teams because he liked getting paid. He’s being kept out because he didn’t hit this arbitrary number of 300 wins and that’s just stupid. He was a great pitcher.

SHORTSTOPS WHO ARE HURT BY THIS RIPKEN GUY
Dave Concepcion
Alan Trammell

Before Ripken, their numbers were just fine, even stellar for a shortstop in Trammell’s case. Then Ripken changed our expectations on what a shortstop should do at the plate and its killing Trammell. Concepcion was a nice player, but he’s only still on the ballot due to some heavy lobbying from his Big Red Machine teammates. He’s not Joe Morgan. Trammell was a four-time Gold Glover and three-time Silver Slugger, a tough trick when you’re competing against the second coming of Honus Wagner. Trammell put up good hitting numbers at a position not known for hitters. Until now. Trammell is being kept out due to our changed expectations of his position. In fact, his closest hitting comps are second basemen, which means there wasn’t a shortstop that really compared except maybe Barry Larkin. But Trammell compares favorably to the shortstops already enshrined like Pee Wee Reese, Lou Boudreau, Luis Aparacio, and he blows the doors of Phil Rizzuto. He’s borderline, but I’d vote for him, if only because he was part of perhaps the best double play combo since Tinkers and Evers.


OVERRATED FIRST BASEMEN
Steve Garvey
Don Mattingly

Nice players. Good numbers. Nothing that blows your doors off. Both get continued support because of their outsized personalities (Mattingly was 0% bullshit, Garvey was about 100% bullshit, so it evened out). First basemen have to get in based on hitting, and there numbers just pale in comparison to the first basemen already enshrined.

SLAM DUNKS
*Tony Gwynn
*Cal Ripken Jr.

Failing to vote for either of these two guys should get your voting privileges revoked. OK, I can see a case against Gwynn, who couldn’t run, field, or hit for power. But God, was he the almost perfect contact hitter.

Ripken is either the greatest or second greatest shortstop of all-time, depending on how you rank Honus Wagner. The Streak. Two MVPs. Rookie of the Year. 3184 hits. 431 HRs. 19-time All-Star. Still the record holder for Greatest Defensive Season ever, in which he made three errors and had a record .996 fielding percentage for a shortstop. Actually, his defense wasn’t appreciated until late in his career, as Ozzie Guillen won the Gold Glove that year. A guy so goody-goody, his endorsement deal was for milk. Heroes always let you down, except Cal. I was a lucky kid to have him as a hero.

THE OUTFIELD GLUT
Albert Belle
Andre Dawson
Dale Murphy
Dave Parker
Jim Rice

Let’s play “guess that statline” as we put these guys head to head. All won an MVP award, though Murphy won two.

#1 298/352/502 382 HR 1451 RBI 2452 H 58 SB below average defense
#2 295.369/564 381 HR 1239 RBI 1726 H 9 SB below average defense
#3 279/323/482 438 HR 1591 RBI 2774 H 314 SB above average defense
#4 290/339/471 339 HR 1493 RBI 2712 H 154 SB average defense
#5 265/346/469 398 HR 1266 RBI 2111 H 161 SB very good defense

OK, who jumps out? No one, really. Player #2 has awesome rate stats, but has terrible counting stats because of a career cut short by injury. If you vote solely on peak, he’s the obvious guy. Player #3 has the best counting stats, but his rate stats are a little behind the others. Though he was the only one who was huge base stealing threat. Player #1 is a slightly better version of Player #4 minus the speed and a slightly shorter career. I honestly think Player #5 looks like the most rounded despite the low batting average and low RBIs (due to playing on some lousy teams).

Take your pick, I’d be content if none of these guys made it, nor would I be outraged if all of them found their way into the Hall. It’s just five very borderline candidates. My picks would be Players #3 and #5. The key:

Player #1 = Jim Rice
Player #2 = Albert Belle (who should get a deduction for being Albert Belle)
Player #3 = Andre Dawson
Player #4 = Dave Parker
Player #5 = Dale Murphy


THE PITCHER GLUT
Rich "Goose" Gossage
Lee Smith
Orel Hershiser
Tommy John
Jack Morris
*Bret Saberhagen

I hate relievers and think they are the most coddled professional athlete on the planet. The way most people feel about DH’s is how I feel about closers. I’d keep them all out. Except Goose Gossage. For two reasons: 1) The Hall needs more guys named Goose (bonus point to anyone who knows who the enshrined Goose’s last name) and 2) He pitched before the era of the one-inning bases-empty save. His 310 saves actually meant something.

The other pitchers are an assortment of flawed but interesting pitchers. Hersheiser has the consecutive scoreless innings streak, but really he was great for six years and then his career hit a wall. Tommy John has borderline numbers and the surgery named after him, but its not like he actually invented the surgery so he can’t get in on Contributions to the Game. Saberhagen was on his way to a Hall of Fame career before injuries absolutely wrecked his career. Hell, at age 30, he seemed like a shoo-in. Little did anyone know, he’d pitch only 488 more innings (which is about two full seasons). And they weren’t a good 488 innings.

If my life were on the line and I could have any one pitcher at his prime to pitch that one game, Morris would be my #2 choice behind Bob Gibson. He was The Big Game pitcher of my lifetime. Unfortunately, during all those other games he was merely good. His terrible 1992 postseason drags down the numbers (when he was clearly done as an effective pitcher), but check out the numbers in 1984 and 1991:

1984: 3 GS, 3-0, 25 IP, 1.80 ERA, 17 K, 4 BB, 18 H
1991: 5 GS, 4-0, 36.1 IP, 2.23 ERA, 22 K, 10 BB, 35 H

And that includes perhaps the greatest postseason game ever pitched, the 10-inning 1-0 victory in Game 7 of the 1991 Series. Morris was a total badass in the postseason.

DRUG ADDICTS
*Ken Caminiti,
*Jose Canseco,
*Mark McGwire,

Caminiti and Canseco wouldn’t get in even without the steroid problems. Which leaves us with McGwire, who would be clearly in if there was no taint of steroids. I haven’t clarified my thinking on this, but here’s my gut reaction: he should be in. Here’s why

1) People knew back in 1998. And that was the time to call him out on it. To bash him now seems rather hypocritical. He had andro in his locker, in view of the media.
2) Steroids are immoral, but their use wasn’t against the rules of baseball like they are now. Baseball dragged its feet on the issue and this is what they get.
3) Willie Mays has admitted to using speed. And we’re pretty sure half of the Hall of Fame inducted after 1950 has as well. We’ve got coke addicts and drunks in the Hall. Singling McGwire out seems grossly unfair.
4) It’s never been proven. OK, he probably did it, but we don’t know. And there’s a LOT of guys who probably did steroids in the 1990s. If Alex Sanchez got busted, it means anyone could be doing it, because he was a speedy, no-power slap hitter.
5) The Hall of Fame is full of rotten people. Ted Williams was a jerk. Ty Cobb was a racist. Rogers Hornsby was arguably the worst person to ever play a professional sport. Steroids is different because it affects the game itself, but I don’t buy the morality argument.


NO CHANCE IN HELL
*Dante Bichette,
*Bobby Bonilla,
*Scott Brosius,
*Jay Buhner,
*Eric Davis,
*Tony Fernandez,
*Wally Joyner,
*Paul O'Neill,
*Devon White,
*Bobby Witt.

I always love the list of first time guys who won’t garner enough votes to stay on the ballot. One or two of these guys might reach that 5% mark, but Jay Buhner’s fame is probably more tied to a Seinfeld episode. And there is a special place in hell for Tony F’n Fernandez was that home run he hit off Benitez in the 1997 ALCS. Not that I’m bitter. Oh, and Bobby Witt is one of my all-time favorite players. To say he had control problems is like saying OJ has publicity problems. He somehow got a World Series ring by sticking around long enough to end up in the D-Backs pen in 2001. I like big fat guys who play pro sports.

The Final Vote if I had a ballot:
Ripken
Gwynn
Blyleven
Trammell
Dawson
Murphy

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Very informative. Did you know Buhner went to Waco's very own McLennan Community College? Does that get him any points for Cooperstown?

Anonymous said...

Oh--by the way--keep an eye on Zach Duke, southpaw starter for the Pirates. He went to Waco's Midway High School and threw a perfect game during the playoffs his senior year. He was drafted out of high school and spent some quality time developing in the minors. Now he's stuck on a mediocre team but he seems to be doing well. HOFer in a few years?

Anonymous said...

I love you.

What you need is a gf who likes baseball as much as you do.

Thomas said...

515 on my 3rd try sucker

Poseur said...

Zach Duke is actually a pretty fascinating pitcher right now. His first two seasons indicate he could either be Steve Carlton or Teddy Higuera. Seriously, look at his rookie year:

8-2, 1.81 ERA, 84.2 IP, 58 K, 23 BB

That's pretty outstanding, even for only a half season. then, look at his first full year.

10-15, 4.47 ERA, 215.1 IP, 117 K, 68 BB

Ouch. Actually, that's not bad, it's just not what what was advertised from his rookie year. I'd be concerned about a fairly low K/BB ratio, but the question on Duke is whether he's going to be rotation filler or an ace. Still too soon to tell, but that's not a bad range of possibilities. When the worst cases seems to be "decent 3rd or 4th starter", you're pretty good.

Didn't know he was from Waco, so I'll add him to the people I root for.

And Buhner already got his bonus points for the shaved head and that the Mariners used to give away free tickets to people who would shave their head before the game.

Anonymous said...

While baseball is also interesting,

I got 527 on my second try. In the words of Prof. LAPP, HAH!!


Love,
Matt

Anonymous said...

eh, I'm more of a penguin basher than a spear thrower...

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Anonymous said...

Pretty solid. Growing up in the shadow of old Arlington Stadium (and then kitschy pseudo-quaint Ballpark in Arlington), I was a Bobby Witt fan. I even had his 1988 Olympic Team retrospective card, I think. For young Rangers fans who wanted to be pitchers, it was tough finding a hero this side of Nolan Ryan (who, I'm sorry to say, was on his last Robin Ventura-pounding legs when I saw him). Scott Champiarino (sp?), Jeff Russell, and Kenny Rogers were about it. And no one was really behind Rogers until his perfect game (which I had the privilege to watch from the 3rd base line...I reached over the side and stole dirt in an empty beer cup after the game). So...Bobby Witt, yeah, not a Hall-of-Famer, but a nice guy who never punched any cameras (or pine tarred his pitching hand).

Now Oil Can Boyd, that's a first-balloter.

Anonymous said...

I got 525. Hooray! Nice baseball post as well, but it took me 20 minutes to figure out what DH stands for.

Anonymous said...

Nice post Baker! I say Gwynn and Ripken only from this group. But in my opinion the hall lets too many in. (Yes I did just "give" you Ripken, I am not such a bastard after all).

I am a big Red Sox fan, so part of me would love to see Rice in their. Given some of the others who have made it I think he deserves it. But again too many get in IMHO, so I don't think he really deserves it.

See you at the game tonight. Bring a double thick brace.

Poseur said...

The problem with a "small Hall" is that the floodgates have already been opened. Suddenly shutting the gates now unfairly and disporpotionately hits the players from the 1980s. Or the players I grew up watching.

I have a theory that the 1980s was the true Golden Age of baseball, and I'd like to see the bes players from that era recognized.

Though I do respect the Small Hall point of view. But I don't think advocating guys who are probably top ten all-time at their position (like in Trammell's case) is that big of a Hall. Seriously, name nine shortstops better than Trammell ever. I'll spot you the top of the list:

Honus Wagner
Cal Ripken
Ozzie Smith
Arky Vaughn
Ernie Banks
maybe Robin Yount if you consider him a shortstop (he played everywhere)

I'm tapped out right there. Maybe Larkin. Maybe Cronin. Maybe Appling. Maybe Reese. But Trammell is in that group, quality-wise. I don't think he'd lower the quality of the Hall at all. In fact, he's well above the standard established.

Anonymous said...

Cal is also dead sexy.


(Not exactly a baseball fan here, but I do know attractive older men.)

Anonymous said...

Yeah I agree with what you said about the small hall. But I still don't think you can justify bad policy by pointing to other bad decisions, but it certainly isn't a perfect world.

Playing a lot of games at a position doesn't make you great at it either. I know you don't think defense is as important as I do or Ozzie would be higher, but here we go...

Top Ten shortstops continued:

Alex Rodriguez (I hate to say so, but true and no he is not a 3b yet)
Barry Larkin
Derek Jeter (I hate to do it, but true)
Phil Rizzuto
Johnny Pesky (remember he gave up his best years to fight in WWII)

Also better:
Miguel Tejada
Nomar Garciaparra (if he is a SS)
Rabbit Maranville (defense matters)
Arky Vaughn
Joe Tinker
Robin Yount (I guess he is a SS according to the hall)
Dave Concepcion
[I know you will disagree with some of these, but certainly not all of them]

Not much better than:
Shawon Dunston
Hubie Brooks
Walt Weiss
Gary Templeton
Rafael Ramirez
Larry Bowa
Rafael Rurcal
Orlando Cabrera
Jose Reyes (who will end up being better)
Edgar Renteria

Poseur said...

You’ll have to excuse Jude, as he smokes a lot of crack. And apparently, Alan Trammell beat up his mother or something. Because his list of people is absurd.

Let’s take the top five guys off the table and call them the “inner Hall of Famers”
Honus Wagner
Cal Ripken
Ozzie Smith
Arky Vaughn
Ernie Banks

OK, then let’s look at his list of people better than Trammell. First, for some perspective, here are Trammell’s numbers:

285/352/415 185 HR 1003 RBI 236 SB
He also posted a Range Factor of 4.47 on his career, with a league average of 4.09
6 time All Star, 4 Gold Gloves, 3 Silver Sluggers
1984 WS MVP
Top 10 in the MVP voting three times (runner up in 1987)

Let’s take them on one at a time:
Alex Rodriguez (I hate to say so, but true and no he is not a 3b yet)
If he was a shortstop, yes. He was on his way to being the greatest shortstop ever, but now he has played nearly a third of his career at third base. If he plays another six years, he should be listed as a third baseman. Another reason to hate the Yankees.

Barry Larkin
295/371/444 198 HR 960 RBI 379 SB
Not as good of a fielder as Trammell, he was faster on the basepaths and slightly better pop. Strangely, his MVP year was the only year he was top ten in the MVP vote. Actually, he is Trammell’s closest statistical comp according to Similarity Scores (916, with 1000 being a perfect match… 900s are very similar players). I rate Trammell slightly ahead because he was slightly more consistent and not as injury prone. But I can grant you Larkin when Larkin was healthy, he was probably better. It’s just that he spent a lot of time on the DL.

Derek Jeter (I hate to do it, but true)
I don’t like rating people whose career are ongoing, but is there a more overrated player in the history of baseball than Derek Jeter? If A-Rod woke up with Jeter’s numbers, he’d kill himself. A terrible defensive player living off two highlight reel plays which gives him a bizarre defensive rep despite having the mobility of a dead guy. And if his leadership is so great, how come the Yankees consistently lose in the playoffs under his captaincy? That said, he’s still a Hall of Famer, just not the lock people think he is.

Phil Rizzuto
273/351/355 38 HR 563 RBI 149 SB
Not a chance in hell. One of the worst Hall of Fame selections of all time, there is absolutely nothing Rizzuto did better than Trammell. I’m not just saying Trammell was better, but that Trammell was better at every skill a baseball player can have than Rizzuto.

Johnny Pesky (remember he gave up his best years to fight in WWII)
307/394/386 17 HR 404 RBI 53 SB
Even granting him the time off, he played for 10 seasons. Now, I like peaks, but some durability is required. Even giving him WWII, that’s a 13 year career, extremely short for a Hall of Famer. Great onbase skills but absolutely no power whatsoever. A nice slap hitter, but nowhere near the broad range of skills Trammell had. And do you realize how much of a punch and judy hitter you have to be to have a higher career OBP than SLG? That’s almost impossible.


Miguel Tejada
Nomar Garciaparra (if he is a SS)
Careers aren’t over and I’ll evaluate them later, but chances are, no. Nomar has more power, but we’re talking about a guy who has played in 130 games just 6 times in his career and 150 games just twice. He’s made of glass. Tejada has better offensive numbers on the surface until you adjust for the fact the current era is an era of grossly inflated offensive numbers. For example, Trammell had an OPS+ of 130 or better six times (an OBP + SLG 30% better than league average normalized for park effects). Tejada has only done that once. Trammell had better numbers relative to his league than Tejada.

Rabbit Maranville (defense matters)
258/318/340 28 HR 884 RBI 291 SB
Sure, defense matters. But Trammell was an outstanding defensive player. Maranville is one of the best glovemen ever, so let’s give him the edge there. Was his defense so much better as to make up the fact he couldn’t hit his weight? And like Trammell, he was top ten in the MVP voting three times.

Joe Tinker
Nice poem, Tinkers to Evers to Chance. It makes Giants cry. But Tinkers selection is universally considered one of the worst ones of all time. He was a good player, but it would be like inducting David Eckstein.

Robin Yount (I guess he is a SS according to the hall)
If he’s a shortstop, then yes. But its kind of a reach to compare Yount to other shortstops as he spent half his career as an outfielder.

Dave Concepcion
267/322/357 101 HR 950 RBI 321 SB
No. An actual contemporary of Trammell, so don’t even make an adjustment for the era. He stole more bases than Trammell. Other than that, Trammell was better. They were about equals, defensively.

Not much better than:
Shawon Dunston
Hubie Brooks
Walt Weiss
Gary Templeton
Rafael Ramirez
Larry Bowa
Rafael Rurcal
Orlando Cabrera
Jose Reyes (who will end up being better)
Edgar Renteria

This list is a fucking joke, right? Why leave off Dickie Thon? Or Mark Belanger? And how do you go through this absurd exercise of bringing up guys who aren’t nearly as good as Alan Trammell , and leave off guys like Joe Cronin or Luis Aparacio, who at least would have a case? And maybe Hughie Jennings since, as a 19th century player, is almost impossible to rate properly. Actually, the guys you listed on the “not much better” list are not in the class of guys like Jim Fregosi, Alvin Dark, Dick Groat, and even Jay Bell. This must be the crack.

And in his list he listed two guys who were better players but aren’t really shortstops (Yount and maybe A-Rod). One guy who was better when he wasn’t on the DL though that’s where he spent most of his career (Larkin). And then a bunch of guys Trammell was demonstrably better than.

Using Bill James’ Win Shares rating system, he has Trammell as #9 all-time (admittedly a blunt tool, but pretty good for ranking careers). Trammell has 318 career Win Shares and the third most productive peak rated by Win Shares (behind only Wagner and Vaughn).

Go ahead, compare Trammell to any shortstop in history. He’ll compare favorably.

Poseur said...

I should add I am not a Tigers fan. I'm an Orioles fan. I just like to see great players recognized, and I'm not gonna have someone dissing Alan Trammell on my blog.

I'm not advocating Trammell because I'm a fan of his. I'm advocating Trammell because he deserves it.

Anonymous said...

Or, possibly, the picture of you and Chicago that just surfaced might have something to do with why you don't have a girlfriend. Just a thought.

By the way, I'll be cheering for LSU in the bowl game, words I never thought I would say, ever. Are you having a watch party? If you are, can I come, if I bring beer?

Anonymous said...

Well I am glad I succeeded in getting your goat a bit. Yes that list was just a joke. Walt Weiss? Of course that is a farce. As for why it wasn't an exhaustive list as to all the close calls two reasons: (1) Time (2) I did not grow up watching Honus Wagner et al play as you did and I didnt have time to research, I was just going off the top of my head.

If Trammel is the 9th best than why only admit 5 guys are better? Clearly we are both just trying to be disagreeable.

It's disingenuous for you to say the current shortsops don't measure up because of stat "inflation" when you won't give previous players the same treatment. For example: Johnny Pesky is a "nice slap hitter." Well back in the day that was all that was expected of SS and he was the best. Furthermore, you don't adequately credit PEsky for keeping your butt from speaking German. That guy led the league in hits his rookie year, walked away from baseball and came back and did it his first year back. After a 3 year lay-off! Unreal! Remember how "good" MJ was after a similar layoff from basketball?

I guess you don't realize one of the requirements theoretically is that for at least one season you are the best player at your position. Trammell never was. You claim it is because of Cal, which might be true. You omit the fact that Trammell's offensive numbers are highly inflated from playing half of his games in "Homerun"... or I mean "Tiger Stadium."

Concepcion I put in there mainly to jab you, but he didn't play in Trammells league, let alone the same park. Even still, yes Trammell is better. I just don't see how you can be so confident that Trammell is "obviously" better than these guys.

As you know, stats are nice, but they don't tell the whole story.

I would have more to say, but this would go on even longer. I know you will want the last word so this will be my last post on the subject unless you request a specific response to something.

And yes I do smoke crack!

Anonymous said...

527 here, too. Not on my first try, though.

--JRH